Should we tip bus drivers? There’s been a local net debate floating around about the idea in the last week – and personally I think it’s nuts.
We want a better commuter system but tipping drivers isn’t going to achieve that.
I feel sorry for the drivers who have a hard job battling traffic, bad inconsiderate motorists who don’t let you pull out from stops and sometimes rude demanding customers along with performance stresses from their immediate management.
There’s huge personal responsibility when you have so many lives at risk.
Local young entrepreneur Ben Young who runs Best ideas are free wants us to start tipping drivers “if you have a pleasant journey or if he was kind enough to give you directions or waited for you to run up to the bus just as it was about to leave.”
No, sorry Ben Bad idea.
Rather than go down the US tipping route, I think a “thank you” should suffice.
Ben argues tipping would remind bus drivers at the end of the day it’s all about the patrons that jump on and jump off. I‘m not a big bus user unless the trains have stopped running for the night but with this “logic,” I have to wonder if Ben ever uses a bus.
I don’t see any evidence that drivers aren’t usually pretty considerate although they do usually enforce the set rule that you can’t jump on or off at lights and fair enough – that’s a safety issue (one hears of Melbourne people laid low in the middle of the road when they get off trams as cars roar by).
They can get grumpy but so would you working long hours in often trying circumstances. It sometimes sounds as if the depot supervisers beat up on them about being late etc over the RT system they use. They’re not paid well – something they’re battling in mediation still at the moment (they’re back in mediation on Monday).
The Northern Distribution Union , during the present pay dispute with NZ Bus, did reveal their pay rate in one of their statements:
“Auckland bus drivers are hard working and skilled but only earn between $14.05 and $16.75 an hour, and many work split-shifts, meaning they are away from home for up to 15 hours, but only paid for eight or nine hours.”
That’s about what train guards get as well and they work shocking split shifts. They might start very early in the morning, work a morning peak shift, have some hours off and be back for the night shift. I don’t know how they do it and still keep on their feet trying to cope.
We should address the pay and condition issues and attract good staff not by commuters topping up their pay but by their employers paying what they afford in relation to profits.
Tour drivers may be a different thing altogether. I have never been on a bus tour so can’t comment.
I was curious about how this worked in the US so Googled. US bus tour drivers say this is how it works in the US for professional tour drivers which, let’s be honest, is a whole different thing from commuter services: It’s suggested as US$10-15% of the tour cost.
Or this guy, talking to people in the industry has a more complex calculation system:
He says Americans should tip:
1) Nothing: If a driver just drives and does nothing else, then the tip should reflect his involvement,”0″. As driving from point A to point B is what he is paid for.
2) $1-$2 per person per day: In the letter, “Tipping Bus Driver,” the driver was going to be acting also as a shuttle driver once they arrived at the destination. If the driver is professional, always at the bottom of the stairs to assist as needed, creates conversation, and maintains a clean coach, then the driver should receive a minimum of $1-$2 a day per person. If the driver also unloads the luggage and reloads it, then that should be taken into additional consideration.
3) $3-$5 per person per day: The driver who in addition to the above, points out areas interest along the way, brings a certain amount of levity into the mix, intermingles with the passengers with bits of wit and humor, demonstrates a true professional demeanor and ability such as where he lets the passengers off and on. In other words, the driver who becomes a positive memory of the trip should be rewarded with a tip of $3-$5 a day per person – and not per couple as some wish to.
All too hard.
I still say let’s not go there.
The problem with tipping, especially in the US, is that it can become a form of extortion. And people feel they have to pay it whether or not they receive decent service.
It’s not something we should encourage in New Zealand in any context.
I have to disagree that bus drivers are under paid. In fact for what they do they are more likely to be over paid and in my opinion should feel grateful they are employed with a relatively high wage for the amount of work they do. I have ridden on many buses in Auckland and overseas, when comparing to overseas we do have an appalling customer service. The drivers here (the majority with exception) don’t make you feel welcome but rather the opposite, like you were an inconvenience to them. Although I agree that tipping would somewhat improve the drivers customer service it’s not the right route. Maybe they should be regularly audited by the companies like most people on their high wage rate would be. If not up to standard see ya later. Harsh but that’s how it works in real life.
I agree completely with Joshua.
Bus drivers are at the bottom end of the labour market and many struggle to speak English so I assume are immigrants and this may be their first job here, like taxi drivers.
Their job is to take you from point A to B and there is no need to further reward them.
Overall they are polite and helpful but tipping them won’t make them drive better or change their work habits.
Anyway some of us don’t carry small change anymore but use Eftpos or on the buses GoRider cards.
The other problem is that employers start to pay their employees less, because they take into account the tipping. In the US, this is consistently the case.
Auckland bus drivers are underpaid. Their base rate works out to about $10 per hour when split shifts are taken into account. It is a skilled, high responsibility job.
If we want better service, we should allow them less split shifts (which were only introduced in the last decade), more buses (so that drivers have more time to deal with customers and don’t have to hurry them) and more realistic timetabling (so they don’t have to drive like racecar drivers to avoid lateness and the penalties it incurs).
The split shift thing is wrong and Im surprised it doesnt lead to more accidents. Imagine starting early in the morning and back doing the peak night shift.
Let alone what it does for your family life.
Intergated/Smart ticketing.
When this comes in it will make their job much more easier.
Fast, straight on-and-off service.
Working in the construction industry I have to say their shifts arn’t that bad. Reguarly would I work from 7:00am to 5:00pm then continue to work night shift from 9:00pm to 3:00am then back at work from 9:30am to 5:00pm. You do what you have to to get work done. Mind you I work in an industry where putting in the odd 60 – 80hr week is not unusual. I do agree there shift work should be reduced and even tossed if possible but if I was them I wouldn’t be complaining.